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lizblackdog ([personal profile] lizblackdog) wrote2007-08-03 12:10 am

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end

So I was talking to [livejournal.com profile] deathwokclan, and I go to Youtube to show her the Spike tuggy video. And while I'm there, I'm distracted by a National Geographic video of an eagle hunting a chevrotain, and then it occurs to me that I could do a Youtube search for "falconry", and I wonder why I never thought of it before. I'm not usually so slow to find new ways to torture myself.

Edited to add:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34SO5LbZx3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M2OLYG694Q - includes working ferrets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnWeN02DLmU

These killed me. They're English. I might even have met the guy, though I can't tell. Don't click the first two if you have a problem with furry mammal death. This isn't a display at a fair, it's the real thing. That was my life. Third one is a redtail, which is what mine was.

[identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com 2007-08-03 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
Those'd be the ones I mean, yep.

I'm certainly not asking you to defend yourself or apologize. As I said, I'm trying to find a bright side.

I, personally, am not sure what the difference is between that, and, say, fox hunting, or live feeding a snake in an area where the prey can in fact escape. I know with fox hunting, the prey has a chance to escape, and it's a wild animal that has lived a natural life. Agreeing with the practice doesn't always hinge on those two things, though. ;)
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[identity profile] lizblackdog.livejournal.com 2007-08-03 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
I was always uneasy about fox hunting, because you don't eat foxes. I'm not prepared to kill anything I don't use. I've also never live-fed a snake (I did have one for a short time, once).

I suppose I look at it like this: hawks and ferrets are obligate carnivores; something will always have to die for them to eat, whether it's day-old chicks or frozen mice or wild rabbits. We weren't killing hundreds of rabbits, we never wasted so much as a bone or scrap of skin. And we were enjoying it. I won't fudge or evade that. But the deaths happened in a way I could live with. I still could, if I currently had a life I could fit keeping a hawk into.

[identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com 2007-08-03 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
I can certainly see enjoying it. I'm cursed with the unfortunate thrill of hunting - the tracking/chasing, finding, and killing is thrilling as hell. No doubt, I'd be damn good at it too, as I did a stint with a camera and wildlife when I was a kid. I just happen to be morally opposed to killing shit for no (reallyreallyreallyexceptionally) good reason. Even if it's people, unfortunately. For some reason. Despite my intense dislike for the vast majority. But I digress.

Dogs are carnivores and generally, they eat the fox (to death). If that doesn't happen, it's shot. I agree that fox isn't generally considered a human food source, which is one fairly distinct difference. However, it's still unnecessary. It's still for the fun of it. And it's still not for anyone's survival.

But now we're talking in IM's anyway, so I'll shut my yap.